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Wow, I am shocked (no pun intended), to hear someone say that shock collars don't hurt. My dog Koa has been a super handful. I had a trainer suggest using one, she even put it on my arm to show me how it didn't hurt. That was not the point, no matter how hard it is to work with him I would never use a shock collar. I felt bad enough using a prong, but I had to. When I used a Gentle Leader I was worried he would hurt his neck when he was having a crazy reaction. I just think the shock would do a lot of emotional dammage. I keep in touch with the people who have Koa's brother and they are using one. I cringe when I think of it.
I continue to try every humane method I can, but when Koa is in a state of lunging, barking, pulling, I just don't get what I am supposed to do. I am calm, I walk away, still he continues. Oh, well.
I am not new to this either, I had a GSD for 13 years, no issues, trained great.
No one said it would be easy, but we still haveto be humane about it.
Liz & Koa