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Well I can report back that those two boys (Pan, 3 yrs, Chewy 2 years, both male long haired chihuahuas, both neutered at around 6 months
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Pan has no idea how to act around another dog. Given any opportunity he humped Ted, from behind, into his face etc etc. He also kept trying to sit on Ted and also to put his paws in his face. As far as I could tell Ted started off submitting to him and then rapidly because distressed (ears back, licking his lips etc). Their owners put it down to Pan being the "alpha" and telling Ted who was boss but to me Pan was stressed, had no idea how to interact and was plain rude. I intervened and after some repositioning of Pan and rewarding him for calm behaviour he could sniff Ted for a nano second before proceeding to try to hump him again. After this I made sure they were kept apart. I have no idea how Chewy would have been with Ted as Pan pushes Chewy out of the way/snaps at him (we'll come on to that) so I didn't really see them interact. I think their Dad is half way to realising that Pan has a problem as he said "that dog has issues, we keep talking about getting a dog whisperer
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The boys fight, they can be trotting around or running together and out of no where there will be snarling and they'll roll around for a few seconds, separate and then go on as if nothing has happened. To me this did not look like dogs playing nicely together as I've seen Ted playing chase, and he play bows, runs, skips around and barks etc but I haven't seen dogs who know each other well play together so I don't know if this was normal, what I do know is if they had been big dogs it would have been very scary and there was no way I was letting Ted anywhere near them doing that (he seemed to want to keep away from them anyway). Very interested as to what you make of this?
Next up they have no obedience, I always have liver treats with me
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Needless to say they don't loose leash walk (they're on the same flexi with a split).
Their owners said that they only let them off the lead if in a reasonably enclosed space (we were) and there are no other dogs or people around. That to me didn't sound like dogs with recall and I would have thought would be a step in a recall training programme rather than a solution to letting your dogs off lead. As soon as they are let off they go crazy and don't seem to come back when called or even check in with their owners. At one point a family appeared and their owners picked them up (Ted's snuffling on his long line minding his own business/coming for liver from me at this point), I wondered why until a straggling child tried to roller blade up the path (a good 20 or so meters away). They both went crazy, running over, barking (which scared the child and he fell over) and having to be fetched back by their owners. Thankfully Ted was still minding his own business with me at this point. Had they been large dogs I think this would have looked horrific, as it was it didn't look good at all. I didn't see them with any other dogs so I don't know what would have happened.
Whilst I don't want Ted so meet up with them again (and they are moving to LA in 12 months so it's easily avoidable) I feel sorry for the dogs. Pan clearly has issues (Chewy I'm not so sure) and they seem to really need some basic training.
I was going to say I'd chatted to a dog trainer about them and explain that the humping is probably fear based (along with the barking at children) and hope that Pan's discomfort prompts her into action but I really don't know hence wanting to talk on here about it. I do also worry that their fights will escalate and something bad will happen
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Am interested to hear your views, sorry for the loooong post.
And I am so proud of Ted as he was so much better behaved and intelligent than those two rascals! I almost feel like I'd like to take those two one at a time and give them some basic training and mind work as I'm sure it would make a difference (I'm not going to though!)
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